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Even Hours of Instant Messaging Can't Help Us Make Sense of 'Indiana Jones 4'

indy4-poster-final-big.jpgIndiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull has been unveiled at last for international critics, and with most verdicts coming in mixed to above-average, our discriminating tastes still found much left to be desired. Defamer editor Seth Abramovitch and senior editor S.T. VanAirsdale attended yesterday's screenings in Los Angeles and New York, respectively, after which the slow process of psychological reckoning and franchise restoration began the only way they knew how: via instant messaging.

What follows contains numerous spoilers, though not much that isn't distinguishable from the trailer or the word-of-mouth teeming around the Web this morning. In any case, if you want a virginal Indy experience when the film opens Thursday, we'd recommend skipping to the next item right about now. Or join in the fray as our wounded critical minds clear the air and let the healing begin.

STV: I'm reading a few OK reviews here and there.
SA: I did that too.
STV: I don't get it; that movie was not good.
SA: No. Bad. A.O. Scott said he was bored. The opening was the most engaging part, but still not great
STV: It was engaging-ish.
SA: The whole movie felt tone-deaf.
STV: But where Raiders was a throwback to the serials of yore, this was a throwback to Raiders and as such was both parodic and, yes, tone-deaf.
SA: The rambling exposition was ridiculous.
STV: SPOILER ALERT! Shia LeBeouf is his son! SHOCKER!
SA: There were no surprises, and I don't understand the plot.
STV: OK, so: Some Russians break into Area 51 with Indy and pal Ray Winstone as their hostages. They want something in the hangar there, but it's a bombing range. That sets up a nuclear bomb point that goes... poorly.
SA: Well, we return to the massive warehouse that ends Raiders. So instantly the reference is made: This is vintage Indy.
STV: OMG there's the Ark! I wish the Russians had stolen that.
SA: Yeah, me too. So the mean Russian lady cuts open the tinfoil-wrapped alien baked potato —
STV: The heavily magnetized tinfoil-wrapped alien baked potato!
SA: That only starts pulling metal towards it when Indy arrives. Action sequence, mushroom cloud.
STV: Indy escapes unharmed, but the Feds suspect him now because he aided the Russians. He gets sent out on a leave of absence from university! Blacklisted! Jim Broadbent shows up, does dignified Jim Broadbent shit: Drinks, has an accent.
SA: Indy addresses a series of framed 8x10s of actors who refused to sign on for the sequels and/or died. He boards a train — destination: unknown. Or can't recall.
STV: Here comes Shia La Brando.
SA: His hog is his steed.
STV: Who just happens to find Indy on a moving train — from the platform. They go have a burger and Cokes at the New Haven diner where the KGB also hangs out after lower-division biology class.
SA: Indiana explains the legend of the crystal skulls, but we miss it because were too preoccupied monitoring the table behind him and how they deal with the "Shia Rewetting His Comb In Their Glass of Coke" problem.
STV: Shia: "Ugh, this is Diet! Fuck!" Anyway, they fight off the KGB. A chase ensues. They lay waste to Yale, go biking through the library. Next stop Peru!
SA: Yes! The Redline Express to savage countries guarded by a loincloth-clad, brown-peopled nation.
STV: And there's Ray Winstone again, who betrayed Indy early on by selling out to the Russians.
SA: Do they find the skull at this point? Or fend off Russians?
STV: They find the skull, then are caught and taken to a Russian fairgrounds/labor camp deep in the Peruvian jungle, where comrades dance, Marion's being held hostage and Cate Blanchett digs out her Roswell space alien. The skull has mental powers — she wants to brainwash the world.
SA: Finally, we have some idea what this movie is about. Indy is in arm restraints and goes face to face with the crystal skull. This is no ordinary quartz skull that looks like an alien head! The skull hurts his brain!
STV: And mine! Anyway, they are reunited and they escape with Shia and John Hurt, who does an hour or so of crazy-man schtick. Quicksand, snakes... Fuck it, jump ahead 30 minutes.
SA: So they escape again with the skull. Are they in Incaland yet? Does all this take place in Peru, or are they in Mexico?
STV: Your guess is as good as mine.
SA: They arrive at a Mayan temple only accessible by removing stone chads. Suddenly! 50,000 dancing chihuahuas appear! Then they are certain this place has significance.
STV: I can't keep going. The end!
SA: Shia didn't need to be in this movie; nor did john hurt. WTF was that?
STV: Shia is the future of the franchise.
SA: The whole skull thing — carrying around a Lucite skull that seems to have 1,000 purposes? Repels ants! Scares savages!
STV: The ants were horrifying.
SA: That was at least, like, something to watch.
STV: SPOILER ALERT! Those fucking ants pulled that big Russian dude INTO AN ANTHOLE AND ATE HIM.
SA: That was cool; it at least had some bite. And did you notice how Indy doesnt put up a fight? He just keeps answering every question that she asked him. Right from the first scene! 'Where is it?' 'Well, it's over here!' Or, 'See theres this legend that goes...' I mean, what happened to spitting in their faces and saying, "Never!"
STV: Yeah, fuck that.
SA: I want the old Indy.
STV: I want the Indy who steals artifacts, destroys everything in sight.
SA: It felt like Invasion of the Indy Snatchers. And the end was a mess. I have no idea what the fuck that was nor did I care.
STV: I mean, that whole alien subplot was literally laughable.
SA: What about the triple waterfall sequence? I could hear an audible groan. I mean, if you're going to just have a car tumble down three waterfalls like a pachinko machine, don't warn us ahead of time
STV: But I love, love, love that long shot of the valley below them collapsing and the spaceship flying up. Storywise, it was absurd, but the shot was fantastic.
SA: I got angry when I saw the spaceship. I felt they ruined the franchise by making it so sci-fi
STV: Maybe so. But technically speaking, it was really well-done. But then there were the monkeys.
SA: Oh yeah. Shia turns into Tarzan. They really lost their minds, kind of.
STV: Shia as Marlon Brando as George of the Jungle. I'll take at least two more installments of that.
SA: What about the cactus-LaBeouf-cockballtorture sequence?
STV: Cactus is an interesting plant variant in the jungle.
SA: Indiana Jones and the Ow LaBeouf's Balls.
STV: And poor John Hurt!
SA: I wonder what he thought when he read the script: "He caresses the crystal skull again and mutters an unintelligible phrase."
STV: His character's name is "OX." Better than "THE ELEPHANT MAN," I guess
SA: The audience was mostly dead silent for the movie. There wasn't one moment when you felt joy. I mean, there's a few stunt sequences that were well-done. That first five minutes, I liked.
STV: The drag race was a good tone-setter.
SA: Oh! Get this: our sound was out the first minute of that, which is like an eternity when fanboys are rioting.
STV: Who were those people who came out of nowhere to beat up Indy and Shia with the Parkour action moves and the blowdarts?
SA: Oh, that was killer blowdart skull mask killer pygmies! They were guarding the sound stage!
STV: I think they symbolized the fans who were down on the whole idea of Indy 4 from the start. They kick LeBeouf's ass until Ford, symbolizing Lucas, shows up to blow a poison dart in their mouths.
SA: At least a blow dart was a reference point I got.
STV: And then there's M. Night Spielberg, who must never touch the franchise again. If LeBeouf comes back, as it seems he will, give it to someone else.
SA: My friend asked why he needs to have Transformers and Indy. It's true. How much LaBeouf can one nation swallow?
STV: This movie is gonna make so much money. Paramount is going to win the summer easily.
SA: I mean, my friend liked it. Maybe it was actually a fun summer movie, and we both need attitude readjustments. The problem is that Iron Man opened two weeks ago. If it hadn't, I honestly wouldn't have remembered that a summer movie can be good.
STV: I refuse to accept responsibility for a blockbuster sucking.
SA: Even Transformers seemed more emotionally true. Giant alien robots — something to care about. I wonder if the fanboys will revolt.
STV: This movie's gonna make $400 million next weekend.
SA: How much will it really make?
STV: This is Pirates/Spider-Man territory. If they're counting over Memorial Day, easily $140. Anyway, let's end on a positive note. Man, wasn't Iron Man great?
SA: Get Smart: In theaters soon!

9:50 AM on Mon May 19 2008
By STV
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  • i don't know what's worse. you had the same idea as indiewire.

    or that text-reviews will be the future.

    sigh. and i can't even drink until 7pm.

  • ha! i'll wait until someone uploads this to surfthechannel. i just saw raiders (for the first time!) yesterday and it was fun. 80s fun a.k.a. silly fun a.k.a. the kind of fun action movies don't have nowadays.

    i'd still ride shia though

  • No, Mr. Stevens. IW live-blogged the film. We chatted about it after viewing it. We have no interest in or plans for SMS reviews.

  • Image of heidiho heidiho at 10:52 AM on 05/19/08 *

    Seth, were you at the 4 p.m. showing? Your name was the first on the press list, ha.

    I thought maybe I just dozed off or something, but I, too, had no idea what was going on about halfway through to the end. Just... why? Why were they doing what they were doing? The alien plot was lame. I was waiting for E.T. to come onscreen. However, I reminded myself not to think too much and I enjoyed it. Iron Man kicked its ass, though.

  • Image of Seth Seth at 11:12 AM on 05/19/08 *

    @heidiho: As it should be! No I went to the 10 a.m., "FIRST!!!" losers' screening.

  • @Seth: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    Ahem. I mean, yeah. The screening I should have begged someone for a plus-one for.

  • @STV:
    then i take back my previous statement.

    however, i remain stalwart about drinking until the future arrives.

  • You know, seeing as I really hate noisy, muddled-plot, unnecessary sequels in summer, I think I finally just tipped over into "I'm gonna skip this movie completely" land.

  • "Cactus is an interesting plant variant in the jungle." LMAO!!

  • Image of Juancho Juancho at 12:56 PM on 05/19/08 *

    This is what I get for living in a fly-over state.

  • Come on. It's the fourth installment. What fourth installment of anything is any good? (And please, spare me the "technically, the Original Star Wars is the fourth in the series" jazz).

  • Have you noticed that many of the positive reviews for this film are kind of apologising for it? There's a lot of "How could it ever compare to the original?" and "It was only ever meant to be a fun, entertaining pop corn movie" being thrown around. ...It's sad. The original trilogy really is pretty amazing and it would be such an undignified end if this movie is the train wreck a lot of people are saying it is. I'm yet to see it and I hope it's great, but the idea of UFO's and CGI all over the place (not to mention CGI monkeys) is pretty discouraging.

    When is someone going to make a classic, all practical effects adventure movie again? ...It's sad.

  • I still can't get over Indy's son is nicknamed "Mutt" WTF?

  • @Benny: It's like a family reunion where your elderly uncle tells you the same story you've heard since you were in garanimals. You don't say "that story sucks and you don't tell it anywhere near as good as you used to." You're just grateful the old man is still holding up.

  • @OldTowneTavern: Hmmm. I guess you're right. But if that same uncle was once upon a time one of the greatest storytellers in the world, and if by giving him a pass now you were effectively enabling him to continue the debasement of his earlier masterpieces and standing, not to mention arguably hurting world culture in the process by praising mediocrity... would you still do it?

  • @Benny: "The original trilogy really is pretty amazing" . . i really disliked the 2nd movie. i've watched the other two over and over. if the 4th one is even a tiny bit better than the 2nd one, i'll be satisfied.

  • Image of Juancho Juancho at 01:38 PM on 05/19/08 *

    @Benny: the recent storytelling of both uncles makes me reconsider their oeurve and think that they were much better as businessmen than they ever were as tellers of tales.

  • I would love to read the Lawrence Kasdan screenplay that was turned down. I can hear the decision making process now: "Larry, you've written legendary things for us, of course you can't write this one."

  • @OldTowneTavern: Replace that with "the Frank Darabont script that was turned down" and I'd agree.

  • @OldTowneTavern: clearly you haven't been watching the bring it on series

  • @TurdBlossom: named after the family's pet no? wasn't "indy" the nickname of the pet given to him by his father henry sr?

  • i want a promotional whip.

  • Did you see a lady in a brown suit get off the plane,
    after Indy's plane lands in Mexico?


  • @Mswhiskers: Uh, no. But I'm looking forward to it now!

  • @majikthise:
    the last couple weekends cable has been playing the first three indy movies over and over - so I watched them again - and realized they are pretty lame once you are older than twelve.. #2 is definately the ewoks of the bunch..


  • I mean - it has a kid as the supporting cast - if that's not a jar-jar binks/ goonies ...

  • @fembot: Are you comparing The Goonies to the Star Wars prequels? ...Man that's harsh. Goonies is awesome. And they start work on that sequel this summer with Meryl Streep. Yes, I'm serious.

    Hey, so I'm sort of a big kid, but I love this stuff. Temple of Doom is the worst of the Indy bunch for sure, but I like it as part of the series, as it gives it a feel like the old serials it was imitating. It's the extended adventures of Indy Jones, but it's not the main event.

    And it has the mine car chase, which is amazing, and which would never happen in today's movies. It'd be a CG mine car with CGI people in it, and it would be doing back-flips, talking in jive and urinating on John Turturro.

  • @fembot: Raiders of the Lost Ark is timeless. It's about as close to perfect as Hollywood got in the '80s.

    I remember really loving Last Crusade, but it's true I haven't seen it since I was 12. Temple of Doom, meh. Nightmares, though, seriously. For weeks.

  • I'm so glad I wasn't at Cannes.

    People "live blogging" on cell phones or other devices during a film festival showing?

    The next person I catch texting during a film will have to pick up their 117 pieces of cell phone when the lights come back up.

  • @cinerama: Replace "cell phone" with "skull" and I'm right there with you.

    I'm totally psyched for this movie. Maybe I have blinders on but it seems to me like people who like the series like it, and people who are iffy on most of the series don't like it.

  • I loved raiders when it first came out. i watch whenever it is on t.v. i liked the last crusade. but this one just didnt feel right, you know. maybe im getting too old for indy. the pg rating toned down some of the violence. and the action scenes just were not up to previous indy movies imo.

  • Liked: Elvis monkeys, Commie-eating ants, flying refrigerator, silhouette of Indy with hat (liked it even better when it was in The Comancheros, and the silhouette was John Wayne's);
    Disliked: Stupid saucer, glowering alien, script, lack of Blanchette macking on Ford, and pretty much 2/3 of the film.

  • Was I the only one who thought the trailer for the next Mummy sequel looked more Indy than Indy?

  • The Indiana Jones series has officially Nuked the Fridge.

  • Just got back from seeing it. I have to say I really resent the 'if you like the franchise, you'll like this movie and if you didn't, you won't' business I'm hearing. I loved loved loved these movies, I grew up watching them fondly and was frankly pretty devastated this was such a mess. I won't bother waiting for the 4 movie dvd set like I was going to. Anytime George Lucas says "I want to make a movie" in the future, everyone should just smile, nod, and give him some Legos to play with. I feel like they took a rejected script for X-Files 2, put in some Indy references to make it seem legit, and this is what happened. I did get a certain level of satisfaction with Shia getting whacked in the nether regions repeatedly. Oh and anybody else really glad it's so easy to survive a nuclear blast? Fall-out shelter, schmall-out shelter.

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